Wayland issues Fedora 25
2017-05-20 17:38
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9th March 2017, 05:37 AM
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Fedora 25 64 bit.
Wayland seems to be causing some issues.
The main ones are;
1. When ever I try to open any of the LiberOffice applications the window frames always open small. I have to drag the corners of the window to make a usable space. If I switch to gnone Xorg I do not have this problem.
2. Using Wayland on the desktop every now and again, and it is random, there is no fixed pattern or particular key strokes that set it off, the screen will go blank, or one sees a glimpse of the the screen that is used when the computer is idle and then blank
for a few seconds then it resumes where one left off. Very never racking when one has a lot of data one is working on.
Using the Wyland graphics on the desktop and then trying to use X2go from a remote location to work on the machine. (it has X2go server operating). The remote running X2go client will connect to the wayland machine via the internet. I use XFCE for this. I then
find that I can not run many of the applications from the remote computer. ie if I try to start liberoffice the remote computer screen does NOT show the opened application.
Many other application do a similar thing Evince, terminal runs briefly but closes. I I try to restart is it says input/output error. Some applications will run. A Qtech application for circuits will run.
However if I go to the Wayland machine it self the applications I attemped to open remotely are in fact open and running.
What I have found is that if I operate the Wayland machine with the gnome Xorg desktop then the remote 2go works as one would expect. In addition I can open, use and close all other applications on and using the remote computer with no issues.
I also think Wyland is slower than X org.
Clearly if I am to use Wayland then these needs to be fixed as far as I am concerned. So how long will Xorg be available on future Fedoras releases?
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I don't know about "never racking" , but most definitely "nerve wrecking"
But yeah, I stay away from this. I have witnessed this when moving from FC23 to FC24, suddenly you see screen splashes of what you were doing before. They are obviously cutting corners in GPU memory refresh, backing store, etc.
As long as we can get Xfce, LXDE or Openbox spins, xorg will stay alive, and GOOD SO !
I don't think I will switch to more OOP lunacy, and if it all goes that way, I'll have to switch to another OS.
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Rather annoyingly I've noticed the screen splash recently in Cinnamon which uses X11 when logging out. A frame of media viewed in Firefox in fullscreen is briefly splashed on screen. That includes the so called private window
which I tried just to see if it did the same.
I'd love to be able to use a stable build of Wayland in the long term as it is more secure. I abhor GNOME's interface anyhow so until over desktop environments can utilise Wayland as well I'm not interested.
X11 isn't likely to go anywhere anytime soon because all other desktop environments still rely on it. There is a build of KDE Neon that can use Wayland but it is a specific test ISO upstream and KDE+Wayland combination is nothing to do with Fedora as of yet.
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Xorg is not going away any time soon.
It is horribly complex and insecure, but at least it works.
9th March 2017, 05:37 AM
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Fedora 25 64 bit.
Wayland seems to be causing some issues.
The main ones are;
1. When ever I try to open any of the LiberOffice applications the window frames always open small. I have to drag the corners of the window to make a usable space. If I switch to gnone Xorg I do not have this problem.
2. Using Wayland on the desktop every now and again, and it is random, there is no fixed pattern or particular key strokes that set it off, the screen will go blank, or one sees a glimpse of the the screen that is used when the computer is idle and then blank
for a few seconds then it resumes where one left off. Very never racking when one has a lot of data one is working on.
Using the Wyland graphics on the desktop and then trying to use X2go from a remote location to work on the machine. (it has X2go server operating). The remote running X2go client will connect to the wayland machine via the internet. I use XFCE for this. I then
find that I can not run many of the applications from the remote computer. ie if I try to start liberoffice the remote computer screen does NOT show the opened application.
Many other application do a similar thing Evince, terminal runs briefly but closes. I I try to restart is it says input/output error. Some applications will run. A Qtech application for circuits will run.
However if I go to the Wayland machine it self the applications I attemped to open remotely are in fact open and running.
What I have found is that if I operate the Wayland machine with the gnome Xorg desktop then the remote 2go works as one would expect. In addition I can open, use and close all other applications on and using the remote computer with no issues.
I also think Wyland is slower than X org.
Clearly if I am to use Wayland then these needs to be fixed as far as I am concerned. So how long will Xorg be available on future Fedoras releases?
=================================================================
I don't know about "never racking" , but most definitely "nerve wrecking"
But yeah, I stay away from this. I have witnessed this when moving from FC23 to FC24, suddenly you see screen splashes of what you were doing before. They are obviously cutting corners in GPU memory refresh, backing store, etc.
As long as we can get Xfce, LXDE or Openbox spins, xorg will stay alive, and GOOD SO !
I don't think I will switch to more OOP lunacy, and if it all goes that way, I'll have to switch to another OS.
--------------------------------------------------
Rather annoyingly I've noticed the screen splash recently in Cinnamon which uses X11 when logging out. A frame of media viewed in Firefox in fullscreen is briefly splashed on screen. That includes the so called private window
which I tried just to see if it did the same.
I'd love to be able to use a stable build of Wayland in the long term as it is more secure. I abhor GNOME's interface anyhow so until over desktop environments can utilise Wayland as well I'm not interested.
X11 isn't likely to go anywhere anytime soon because all other desktop environments still rely on it. There is a build of KDE Neon that can use Wayland but it is a specific test ISO upstream and KDE+Wayland combination is nothing to do with Fedora as of yet.
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Xorg is not going away any time soon.
It is horribly complex and insecure, but at least it works.
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